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Post by mahitovec on Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:55 pm

im glad im not one who had to write this. sc players suggestions are really ridiculous. sins, zons, druids- wtf? and im preson who got constantly blamed for trolling newcomers lol
but i still wonder how barb is more boring than nec

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Post by romanN1 on Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:04 pm

@MarcoNecroX When I said retaliator I was reffering to the one you had not long ago (you had that hidden craft with destroyer shaman+void archon iirc) Very Happy.

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Re: Untwinked hardcore builds?

Post by MarcoNecroX on Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:32 pm

@mahitovec: well none of both is necessarily boring, but as a totem necro, personally I always had to spend 100% of the time running for my life or watching out for my veil king

as a summon barb it pretty much works like: oh, my summons are dying a bit faster than i can summon them, so lets go back a bit. Or vice-versa.

@roman: that was just hipster build ;p

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Post by Metalistas on Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:14 pm

My throw sin was doing fine until server lagged. I still have javazon alive and yes it is slow. But slow and safe. Well i have patience to do some areas again and again and then again. But i cannot play any summoner at all, just not my type. Probably too much ego and i have to do all the stuff myself.

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Post by MarcoNecroX on Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:35 pm

well I get your point but that wasn't really what the OP asked. Also, imho totemnec is not a regular summon type. The build (in hc) is pretty unique and mostly fun. I remember getting to like act 3 terror at level 70 with tristam rws. You mostly just need to cast your summons once and shadows get resummoned automatically when you tele. It's pretty much like macro-kiting (i wonder if anyone ever came up with that term before) - you dodge in mass. Either you annihiliate the mobs or you do a bad teleport and everyone is dead (VKs can confirm this). Mostly from phys attacks.

sin is just in no way an efficient untwinked hc class. And even twinked it's pretty bad. Attemping to farm ubers with a sin is beyond ridiculous too. Avoid can be tricky because it either works or it doesn't. Have a few bad avoid rolls and she's dead. Also maxblock is unthinkable of until you get signets.


javazon doesn't bring anything new. You need to give it super gear and even so she's not that good. The killing mechanics are not really optimal (supposing enfilade + FR), when you're about to cast your first FR, most monsters are already in your face, you get fhr locked, gg

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Re: Untwinked hardcore builds?

Post by void on Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:12 pm

Totem OP not only for rushing through the game but also really nice for cheesing summoning ubers.
Plus, since totems can get massive avoid synergy since patch XV, they can have 100% dodge if casting Black Mass.

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Re: Untwinked hardcore builds?

Post by Violentin on Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:33 am

Are summon builds really that HC-friendly?
One random witch and you are boned, especially for BtS'ing necro.

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Re: Untwinked hardcore builds?

Post by mahitovec on Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:52 am

dont play like idiot for 3 locations in the game? and mercenary is going to kill you much often than your summons
also, if your hands grow not from the ass, its really easy to control crowd with bts, no1 forcing you to jump offscreen

barb walks trough those areas with no summons
sorc doesnt need summons to kill stuff
nec has no cd tele, so if you cant hold your herd together you are just bad

and btw everything but summoners is pretty bad on hc. atleast untwinked

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Post by Asteroth on Sat Mar 21, 2015 1:43 am

i've never played summoners (and really want to roll one now just to see how easy it actually is) but i completely disagree that "everything else is pretty bad". 

Define bad, cause my traprat had a very easy time in hc, the only problem was it wasnt super blazingly fast

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Re: Untwinked hardcore builds?

Post by mahitovec on Sat Mar 21, 2015 1:57 am

like you werent using acid fiends

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